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MGTOW Week Recap and Highlights

This week Networks of Doom took a look at the online activities of the MGTOW, or Men Going Their Own WayMGTOW believe that feminism has been a disaster for society in general and for men looking for worthy feminine companionship in particular.  MGTOWs are dropping out of conventional relationships until society rights the ship.

What did we learn about them?  LotsHe-Man Woman Haters!



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MGTOW vs. WGTOW: On (not) Sleeping With the Enemy

Whether you agree with the MGTOW or not, and wherever you fall on the gender triary of our species, (male, female, or Janet Napolitano) there is one thing that everyone today agrees on.

We ALL know the game is changing.  Or – at the very least – to quote Slim Charles from The Wire,“Game’s the same.  Just got more fierce.”

Those dating today are dating differently than their parents did; who dated differently than their parents did; and you do NOT want to know what your great grandmother would have thought about what you did last night.  Men are going their own way; women are writing the most-read article in the history of Atlantic Monthly about their singlehood. Together we are undergoing a massive, society-wide experiment with relationships and sex that we can’t know the outcome of.  We are all trying to figure this out on the fly.

So let’s close out our look at the MGTOW by taking on one more issue that irks them greatly: the massive societal double standard they face versus their doppelgangers on the other side. 

The Rise of the WGTOW

Let’s take a look at an online network that sprung up a few years ago calling themselves the “quirkyalones.”  I think the label is technically open to anyone who wants it, but the movement is clearly mainly made up of educated, urbanite women in their 30’s-40’s.  quirkyalones (lowercase – so quirky!) say they aren’t happy with their options with the opposite sex and refuse to “settle.”  So they’re staying out of relationships and staying proud of it.

The quirkyalones online communications network includes blogs, forums, a Twitter, a Facebook group with not that many likes (415), even a manifesto (starting to sound familiar?).

But what was the public reaction?

The manifesto was published by Harper Collins, positively reviewed in the NY Times, blurbed by Anderson Cooper.  The founder got paraded across mainstream TV stations to universal acclaim.  And “this is how we live now” think-pieces in the Major Organs generally agreed that yes, these are such independent and brave women to flout social convention!  They have an important take on the sexual revolution we should all learn from.

MGTOWS vs WGTOWS

any questions?

Good luck finding a single mention of the MGTOW in the media; let alone a positive one.

In this we see that the fatalism apparent in some of the MGTOW’s founding documents and the strategies they’ve chosen to spread their message was not misplaced.  Not only won’t they get a fair hearing – they won’t get a hearing at all.

And if that’s the case…

Why put yourself out there?

Why risk personal repercussions for zero gain?

Why not just drop out of the game entirely?

To close with one more Wire quote, at Lt. Daniels put it – you can’t lose if you don’t play.



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Dealing With Splinter Groups: the TFL Movement’s Moment

If you want to run an ideological movement, and you plan to stock it with humans, you had better prepare to deal with splinter sects (at least if the unbroken entirety of human history is any guide).  Splinter sects are groups that share your basic worldview, agree with just about everything you say, but find that one key point of divergence that ticks them off enough to leave and build their own clubhouse.

The MGTOW have a group like this who go by the handle TFL: True Forced Loneliness (yes, these guys love acronyms).  The two sects are in complete agreement that feminism is leading the West to a catastrophic civilizational decline.

But the TFL ding the MGTOW for what they see as a bit of fundamental dishonesty in the way they handle the inevitable “Eh, you’re just bitter because YOU can’t get a woman” retort to everything they say.

The preferred reply from the happy bachelors at MGTOW would be: “can’t!  Haha, nothing could be further from the truth!  Women are banging down my door!  I WON’T date a modern woman!”

The True Forced Loneliness crowd want to own up to the “can’t.”  Embrace that “can’t.”  Publicize the “can’t” – even using their real names and faces in videos.  They want to make the uncomfortably personal the political, in order to make the point that a society consigning increasing numbers of men to a life of involuntary loneliness is not a society on the right track.

So what happened to the TFL?

The TFL movement seems to have crested about 2007-2010.  It took me a fair deal of surfing around and research to sort of reverse-engineer what the TFL were. Their flurry of activity apparently included:

  • writing a manifesto
  • building a website
  • multiple Youtube channels and online forums
  • someone even made up ballcaps with “TFL” emblazoned

Today?  Can’t find the Manifesto.  Some channels are shuttered.  My anti-virus won’t let me go to trueforcedloneliness.com because it’s trying to download phishing software to my PC (or have the feminists gotten to you too, anti-virus makers????).  Their old forum at americanwomensuck.com redirects to another forum where the main concerns are saying unkind things about Zionists and nice things about Ron Paul.

What happened to the TFL?  I’ll air four theories:

1) Successful movements are generally built by charismatic leaders with great communications skills.  How do you imagine “guys who couldn’t get laid if their lives depended on it” rate on those?

2) It’s a movement whose membership is premised on a changeable condition.  I saw a video in which TFL-leader Bill actually complains that too many guys over the years have gone “turncoat” on the movement the minute they got a girlfriend.  NO, REALLY??

3) The last thing Networks of Doom will ever do is try to cast a cheap pop-psychology judgment on the mental health of a movement’s adherents, so let me just raise this hypothetical: if Martin Luther spent each day making 40-minute Youtube videos that consisted of a tightly-wound man posting screenshots of Youtube comment pages and seething, in a barely-concealed fume, “why are you saying this, ROBERT?…You are a FUCKING TRAITOR, Robert…I think you have ANGER MANAGEMENT issues, ROBERT – I know, I used to struggle with it as a younger man…” – wouldn’t we still all be saying the Latin Mass?

4) And finally, there’s the “The MGTOW crushed them” conspiracy theory.  The MGTOW have no love for the TFL, as evidenced by this post on the mgtowforums that rated other men’s-movement sites:

Some of the manosphere sites are good, some are just incessant whining. Anything True Forced Loneliness is just repellent.

While on another forum, a TFLer posited:

the main attributes of the MGTOW crowd are treachery and faking friendships to divide forums and terminate friendships. That is what they did to the TFL movement very quickly.

(Bonus Q: Are there also extremely long-winded theories that the MGTOW are motivated by Zionism to crush TFL?  CLICK THAT LINK FOR THE SURPRISING ANSWER.)

TFL Today

But the movement is not gone.  The world of 2012 is not so different from 2008.  Women continue to sleep with bad-boy cads instead of TFLers.  So men who identify as TFL continue to go on Youtube – as in this video from two weeks ago – to share their personal pain with a world that doesn’t want to hear it.



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The Interesting, Anonymous, Super-Secret History of the MGTOW

MGTOW_logo

The official MGTOW logo

or: strangers on the net…exchanging glances

The origin story of the MGTOW is a tale replete with Resevoir Dogs-derived pseudonyms, furtive meetings in “undisclosed locations,” and the formation of a secret order that remains deliberately below the mainstream’s radar.

Although not THAT secret.  The website http://www.mgtowhistory.com details the meeting in 2003 that launched the network:

[Mr. White and Mr. Orange] created the idea of a decentralized, non-political movement that would support men and their choices in the face of widespread scorn, indifference and hostility. The next day they met at Mr. Orange’s hotel suite and fleshed out the idea some more, sketched a logo, and a framework of sorts. Since it began as a decentralized ‘organization’ it has no leader, no official message board, no website (although many have websites and forums that support it’s ideals), there is no ‘there, there’ to organize, attack, censor, eliminate or shame into submission.

It is everywhere and nowhere.

If the language and tactics remind you of the much-in-the-press-lately hacker collective Anonymous, it’s because both seek the same outcome: the having of fun + the making of impact + the avoidance of repercussions.  MGTOWers know that publicly espousing their beliefs would make them targets of the other side.

MGTOW and its supporters tend to be looked upon with scorn by the Politically Correct segments of society – Leftists, bloggers, Feminists, those who wish to control the thoughts, speech and actions of others – and have encountered many dirty tricks campaigns over the past 15 years.

So now, 9 years on, if you haven’t heard of the MGTOW or believe they’ve had any impact on society…well…they would say: excellent.  It’s all going according to plan…

So What Is the Plan, Man?

From those brainstorming meetings emerged the name, logo, articulated philosophy, and grand strategy of the MGTOW.  The “communications strategy” the leaders came up still informs the tactics visible to us today. (Objective: stay out of sight. Reg. required forums?  OK.  Social media?  Not so much.)

And what of that articulated philosophy?  The endgame of the MGTOW is laid out on a looseleaf sheet from those early bull sessions:

MGTOW Brainstorming Notes

Here’s a thought: an ideological group is in trouble when its strategy contradicts its principles.  If the end goal is to produce men who are  powerful, independent, honest leaders who value freedom over safety, how will a leaderless organization that goes out of its way to avoid Internet catfights do that?



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The Fraternal Order of the MGTOW

Other MGTOW activities online are much less bile-filled than the online forums.  For instance, a site called Men For Justice includes an MGTOW-themed Pledge and Vow of Brotherhood informed more by self-help literature than by anti-feminist thinking.

Let’s look at the Vow of Brotherhood, which reads like something a civic order like the Elks or the Rotarians would recite at the initiation ceremony of new members.

Raise Your right hand and place the left hand on Your heart.

“In Going My
Own Way I will be a man by my own definition, search for wisdom and use my abilities for the welfare of myself and fellow men”.

By Going Your Own Way you intend to support the idea of MGTOW and it’s purpose.

At the same time it is important for every man to work on his masculinity and become a man, but by his own definition.

As You all know, there is no one who can define being a man for You, but Yourself.

You also agree to not remain stupid but learn as a part of Your daily life. You will not sit on Your lazy ass but work to the benefit of Yourself. In becoming a full and grown man You can support Yourself and lend a hand to a fellow man in need.

Going Your Own Way is also like becoming part of a Brotherhood where You are willing to lend a hand to a fellow Brother and not let him down for short term personal benefits.

Thus, You will display the MGTOW logo. Anyone who recognizes it, is to be welcome in to your life as a brother, whoever that man is.

A fairly innocuous vow that – if one could fault it for anything – would be nebulous promises and circular reasoning (to pledge yourself to something that is “however you define it” is not really to pledge yourself to anything, is it?)

The MGTOW Pledge contains a little more bite:

I shall live my life on my own terms, answering to no one but God. I shall be self-sufficient. I shall learn and grow each day. I shall not give in, and marry some harpy just because society says to. I shall not partake of the massive consumerism in our society. I’ve limited my exposure to TV, so I shall not be contaminated by the poison of this world. In short, I shall try to be the best MAN I can be. Like you, I do this for those that follow after me, knowing that I shall not see the fruit of my efforts. It is a fight we must fight, and that’s that. Thank you.

A few things pop out.  The pledge author could not resist getting in a dig at “marry[ing] some harpy.”  But the fatalism of the statement is what grabs you.  MGTOW is a movement that knows it will not gain wide acceptance in the lifetime of any of its current advocates.



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